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  • First I look at the purse
    contrarian
    Most millenials grew up better than princes of old, with countless entertainment, travel options and before public school cutbacks and skyrocketing college costs. It's been a glory time. Taking my job in 5-10 years isn't good enough for them, they want more. They're not content to be Fox Mulder or Dana Scully, they want to run the show. Well, good luck! The baby boomers ran this thing into the ground and they'll be left to pick up the pieces. Let's see how they deal with the "me generation."
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  • Thanks for nothing Contrarian
    Moderate
    We did not run anything to the ground. We acted like any other people would. Some of the baby boomers are liberal and some are conservative. Some have idealism, which is reduced as you get older, and some are greedy. This is true of the next generation, the generation after that one, and the generation before us. We may have a larger number of people and, therefore, have more influence, but we are no different than your generation.
    worker
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  • See both ways
    Linda
    I see Generation Y ers as hard working get the job done and are much more efficient at the computer work. I also have seen them want to be boss the second day on the job and don't understand working your way up. They don't get enough challenge and responsibility, they go back to school for another career. Some days, those will run out of time, have massive school debts, and no retire,met. Us oldies, will not be around to bail them out then. Good luck to them. I hope most mature like the few I have seen and not the many.
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  • Here we are now, entertain us
    SGT Pepper
    As a Gen X'er who clearly remembers the days when my generation were said to be nothing but a bunch of brooding slackers, I say hooey to this entire concept of generational generalizing. The constant whine that I hear regarding the Gen Y'ers in the workplace comes from the Baby Boomers who loathe the Gen Y's alleged inability to communicate. One such Boomer in my office, who used to tell Gen X'ers to get the wax out of their ears when people didn't listen to him, now tells Gen Y'ers around the office to get the ear buds of their ears. It has never occurred to our resident Boomer Know It All that people simply do not wish to listen to him because he has no people skills whatsoever. In fact, he'd have more success communicating with others if he used instant messaging which the Gen Y'ers use with such aplomb. Nobody would see the disdain on his face when he communicates with them after all, and that would be such an improvement. For him and all of us. I like the Gen Y'ers in the office. Sure, they want to have it all as quickly as possible, but so did everyone else, Boomer and Gen X alike. I know I know, that doesn't fit into the romanticized memories of those from previous generations but it's time for all of you to remember your lives as autobiographies rather than works of fiction.
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  • I agree somewhat
    Moderate
    I remember graduating college in 1971. There was a recession. I got a mediocre job, but it was a job. It paid my expenses. I remember coming into the government and working with impatient older managers who knew much more than I did. We all wanted more, but got what we got. They gave me the initial education, but most of the education was self education. That is the nature of the job. Later newer workers (generation X I guess) coming in and doing the same thing. Now, I guess Y is coming in and doing the same thing. To me there is little difference between each generation. The newer people had better toys than the older people, but so what. Y will do its job, just like X and baby boomers do theor jobs. Just like we needed help, so do they. That is the way of the world.
    worker
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  • Exactly
    SGT Pepper
    There is very little difference. This is all just a matter of how people in general like to remember the good old days. The recollections are often inaccurate to say the least. I hear this stuff every day in that I manage a team of Agents that is 2 Booomers, 3 X and 2 Y. I can't tell you how many times the Boomers harken back 15 years ago (or more) and tell tales of the good old days. They both seem to forget that I was actually there with them 15 years ago as a Newbie Gen X Agent. I don't blame them of course. Like most people, I do the same thing from time to time...I just don't really believe it as they seem to do.
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  • Hi Sarge
    Moderate
    It sounds like you are a manager of a group of Agents in the IRS. If I am right, then I wish you the best of luck. Management has made that one tough job with all of the bureaucratic stuff you have to do. Yeh, I guess I will go back to the gold old days. Sorry, but having everyone see all evaluative records is just plain nonsense. One review of the case load should be to help the Agent move the cases, if possible, instead of being another evaluative tool. It should tale 1-2 hours instead of...(You know how long) How long does the WLR take vs. doing it normally. And what about the other nonsense? I admit I am not in management and am glad of that. Good luck.
    worker
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  • Hey
    SGT Pepper
    Yep, that's what I do at the IRS and it's not exactly fun these days. I keep as far away from the politics and red tape as possible, do my own thing and shrug when I'm told I'm not doing things "the right way". The WLR's? I hate them. I do concurrence reviews with my group once a month. They bring their cases to me, we review the ones they're having trouble with, plot out the next move and done. Not evaluative. I learn more about their work doing that than anything else, and they like the guidance usually. My favorite ritual of the job is fighting with my TM when he doesn't like the annual appraisals I do. "You're moving him up too fast" he tells me. "That's the eval he earned" I say, "and I've got the evaluative documents to back me up". I'm sure you could guess, my TM doesn't like me very much.
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  • Every generation wants to leave its mark
    marxwj
    Every wave of new workers I have seen will come in right out of college with all sorts of ideas about improving the way we do things, making things more efficient or cheaper or faster or something. Then we show them the level of technology we have to work with and the budget we get for new stuff and you can start to see the spark leave their eyes. Then you teach them the rules we have to follow to purchase stuff and you show them their place in the great machine and you can almost see their little souls start to slip from their grasp. They burn the midnight oil and find some brilliant way to save the government a couple million dollars and they get up to $5,000 for their effort, which has taxes and such removed and they end up with about $3,500 that all goes to paying bills. They try again and find out the annual budget for such things has been used up on their first effort and maybe next year they will get something. If that doesn't chase them away, they grumble along and become the grumpy older generation that starts to resent the perky new guys that show up a decade or so later. Of course this latest generation also gets some of the worst abuse in the history of federal service tossed on the heap. Going on 4 years with the same pay, no bonus, travel, or training money, furloughs, a poor job market, and a Congress playing with Fed voodoo dolls all day long looking at the few benefits we have left and fighting over which ones to take away next. They going to cut your retirement benefits or your healthcare first, or just do both as the RIFs start early next year. Sorry, but we are well beyond any recognition for good work and on to the last hired first fired program.
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