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  • The unanswerable question
    Just me
    The question I have asked, and have yet to receive an answer upon is this: If the furloughs impact critical and essential employees (meaning we come in when the rest of the government, in our area, stays home) and we are laid off (even for a day) are we still critical and essential? The crux of this matter is the requirement to undertake risk either by coming in to work, (during hazardous conditions), or by remaining at work(when others are directed to evacuate.) If we are not "critical employees" for purposes of the sequester, and are thus subject to furlough, then it would appear that we cannot, subsequently, be deemed "critical" employees requiring we undertake these risks when it suits the government to have us do so.
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  • Must be the new guy
    Chuck@IRS
    If you are not sure if you can one thing one day and at the whim of the government, be something completely different, and possibly contradictory, to what you were yesterday, then you haven't worked here very long.
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  • Stick with a simple rule
    wisenekt
    "It you take leave, you can be furloughed." There are very few positions in the government where someone is not allowed to take leave for an extended period of time. Most places are working to stager their furloughs so there will be someone in the shop to cover the "mission essential" piece.
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  • If We Can Be Furloughed, We Don't Need to Keep Working During Shutdowns
    Radar Tech
    If we can be furloughed for "save money" issues, then we cannot be required to work in a "deferred pay" status during a government shutdown or required to come in/stay during blizzards, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. Sorry, they don't get to have their cake and eat it too. Oops, I just had some cough syrup and cannot stand watch. Put me down for sick leave.
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  • To wise
    Moderate
    The IRS is shutting down on furlough days. There is no staggering. This will save the IRS money and reduce the number of furlough days The last phrase is an assumption based on logic.
    worker
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  • Sequestration - Loss of productivity
    becca
    Mike, This is in response to the comment posted by the "Fed In WV". This person brings up a very good point. Example in my agency is: I average 2 hours per day justifying my telework productivity as well as my overall productivity on a weekly basis. It is not that I am slow producing these reports but it is the fact that we literally have to account for every minute of our time on the clock and report on it. For the average worker these reports often end up in the round file as they often contain the most mundane of work performed and recurring tasks that are "uninteresting to higher ups". Fraud, Waste and Abuse?? I think so. These are manhours that can be better utilized performing tasks that might actually make a difference. There are so many wasted hours for the Federal Employee that they themselves are NOT responsible for.
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  • To becca
    Moderate
    Sounds like your bosses are discouraging telework.
    worker
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  • What Fed gets a $63K bonus?
    contrarian
    That sounds crazy, like private sector money. Also, if govt is so broke, why does SBA still exist? Discuss.
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  • Oh boo hoo
    tgn
    I am frankly tired of the constant whine from government employees on the sequester. Sure it's not your fault and management could plan better by laying off or terminating deadwood instead of this impacting everyone. But no. It has to be media friendly and show some sort of impact. Still quit whining about your bills. You still have a job. Unlike those in the evil private sector where I know you will all say we are too stupid to get a govt job, when things like sequester happen people get terminated and lose their entire income. I know that's hard to imagine outside your little utopia bubble but that's the real world in action. So don't expect any sympathy from those of us paying taxes and thus your salaries. If you don't like what the govt is doing to you you can quit and get a job in the private sector.
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  • Get over yourself!
    Cindi
    Tgn, yes we are thankful for our jobs, and "unlike private sector" you refer to; some of us have family members who have already lost their jobs, so yes we do know what it's like. We have gone from 2 incomes to one. No one is asking for your sympathy, we also pay taxes to pay our own salaries, your superior attitude as a private sector employee is just another annoying symptom of what Washington is doing to this country. As long as Congress can keep Federal employees out there as the bad guys the private sector won’t be looking at them as the “Bad Guys”. I have worked for the Federal Government for 27 years and you just expect me to go out and find another job, (would you), no most of us just work through what is happening and plan ahead. I’m looking forward to a long weekend and spending time with my out of work spouse.
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  • Oh boo hoo
    becca
    The threat of termination always looms over the Federal Employee and if you don't think so.....think again. As far as you paying taxes and thus our salaries...we pay taxes too and thus our own salaries....sort of like the dog chasing the tail....we also, like you support welfare,medicaid,special interest programs....just like you.
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  • Yes, but
    ben
    ... taxes paid by feds, like the salaries, are the results of revenues produced by production of wealth. If high government employment lead to prosperity, Greece would be the Switzerland of the Med. It ain't!
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  • How much revenue would FedEx and UPS have without the FAA?
    Radar Tech
    You are talking out of your hat. No FAA or DOT and your merchandise isn't going very far. How many bridges have Amazon of Facebook built? Those oil tankers passing by Somalia...how well do they do against pirates without the Navy? Gee, there was this little incident in Boston the other day that was resolved by lots and lots of government employees. Do you think commerce would have just continued unabaited without their efforts? Do you like having highways? Get real.
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  • No Understanding of Economics
    ben
    Did not state there is no use for government. Stated that government is a user of wealth, not a producer. Government, properly done, provides an place for wealth to grow, for an economy to grow and people to be employed. many nations have roads, police, armies, navies, etc. Few have anything near the success of the US economy. Switzerland has a much smaller government, but its economy functions quite well. Its an old trick of the progressives to state the only alternative to the leviathan state is anarchy. Come back with an argument I haven't heard in the last 50 years.
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  • Government is both...
    FERS Fed
    ...a user and a producer of wealth. Partnered with the private sector, it uses wealth to provide conditions, as you note, for the production of more wealth . ..... The private/public partnership has worked well enough to produce the world's largest economy. ..... But some now wish to change the terms of, or even terminate, that partnership so that they can keep more/all of the wealth. ..... Govenrment also does things that the private sector cannot or will not do because there is insufficient profit involved.
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  • Where is the excess
    ben
    OK, where on the government records are the income statements showing where any activity produced more revenue than it spent. Government uses wealth, many times for good purposes, it does not create it.
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  • Here it is again
    FERS Fed
    "... it uses wealth to provide conditions, as you note, for the production of more wealth". ..... Things like the Internet, nuclear energy, the interstate highway system, navigable waterways, rural electrification, things that make commerce, and the growth thereof, possible. ..... Things that wouldn't even exist if left to the private sector.
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  • Without Taxes Nothing
    ben
    You do understand that echoes are but empty repeats of previous statements. Most governments have some, if not most of what you listed. Few approach the US's success. It wasn't government that spurred that, although government did provide an atmosphere for that growth.
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  • Government does inspire wealth
    Moderate
    Are you forgetting the pure research done by government? How about the spinoffs from the space program? Who did the research that gives us nuclear energy? (not advocating or criticizing nuclear energy) These are a couple of government programs that have been used to produce wealth for private enterprise. No, your responses are baloney.
    worker
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  • "Most governments have some, if not most of what you listed"?
    FERS Fed
    Really? Which governments have privatized them to benefit their national economies? Do you suppose that has anything to do with "Few approach the US's success"? ..... Government DID spur that with R&D, seed funding, and "... an atmosphere for that growth".
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  • Evil Government
    FederalEmployee
    Ben - you are a retired federal employee. When you were performing those DOD audits, did you feel that you were serving your country? Or, were you stifling economic growth? How about your CRS pension...whose wealth are you sucking from when you receive your monthly direct deposit? (oh, you earned your pension...) You make these brash proclamations that are usually quite insulting. Seriously Ben - find another forum to vent your disgust at the U.S. Government - please.
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  • Don't Get It
    ben
    Yes, I've stated government service can be an honorable service to the nation. During my time in government service, I discovered practices, that if continued would have wasted tens of millions, identified about 10 persons involved in fraud (8 were government and six did hard time), plus certified practices that if used by other government activities would also save millions. As to disgust at the US Government -- never made any. Typical use of false charges to disqualify someone's opinion. Shot those down in many an audit report. What I have railed against is a deficit out of control and the necessity to bring it under control.
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  • We get it. You do not
    Moderate
    The country suffered a George Bush and the Republicans Depression. The out of control deficit is an attempt to recover from the Republican mess. These actions are much better than what Herbert Hoover did. He converted the economic crisis of 1929 into the Great Depression with his tight fisted policies. Hopefully, we will have prosperity. And then we can actually reduce the accumulated deficit by running surpluses instead of giving tax cuts to the wealthy.
    worker
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  • No!
    ben
    The actions that caused the recession began with Clinton, not Bush. Hoover's massive tariff increases caused a recession to become a depression. Nearly a thousand economists wrote begging him not to sign the bill. FDR's actions caused the depression to stretch into the longest in history. Unfortunately, the present administration using many of the same tools, with the same results. Bush tax cuts resulted in $4.8 trillion more in revenue than the 8 years under Clinton.
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  • "No!"?
    FERS Fed
    "You do understand that echoes are but empty repeats of previous statements". Sound familiar?
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  • No Ben
    Moderate
    No Ben. The actions may have started with Clinton and were good. George let them get out of hand which gave us the George Bush and the Republicans Depression. Hoover had a tight money policy which aggravated the economic situation into the Great Depression. FDR got the unemployment down from 24% to 14% before the Republicans forced tight money onto him and drove it back up to 19%. Bush's tax cuts helped bring in more revenue along with the economic recovery, but the wealthy got the benefits. The middle class got very little. 1984 was 29 years ago. Please stop trying to revise history.
    worker
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  • No buts about it
    FederalEmployee
    Taxes paid by feds are certainly not "produced by a production of wealth". First of all, those who pay the HIGHEST overall tax rates are wage-earners. All wage-earners pay federal income tax and 7.65% FICA tax. This occurs regardless of one's wage or salary (except that the OASDI portion is subject to an annual wage limit which the majority of Americans do not exceed). Extremely wealthy people do not typically derive their wealth from a paycheck. The truly wealthy derive the majority of their income from dividends and capital gains - both of which are taxes at a mere 15%, and are not subject to FICA. To Mr. "Oh Boo Hoo" - why is it that government employees are so evil and horrible? I am amazed at the "it's not fair" attitude. Millions of private-sector people were seriously affected by the recession (which was caused by the private sector). Government employees were not fired or laid off due to the recession. Those with the Boo Hoo mentality apparently want to punish the federal employees because we did not lose our jobs. How many of us should be fired? All of us? Should our benefits be taken away? Should we be lined up and whipped? You know, IT'S NOT FAIR that my private sector professional counterparts make substantially more than I do. They should be punished. IT'S NOT FAIR that I have a chronic illness that will never be cured. Therefore, all those who do not suffer from this condition should be punished. IT'S NOT FAIR that I work hard for my remuneration, but some people merely have to look beautiful and model clothing or makeup and make hundreds of times what I make. Should these natural born beauties be disfigured to make up for the fact that no modeling agency would even look my way? Come on...if you have a problem with federal employees, stay away from this website. Speaking of evil federal employees, people want a big government when it suits them, and people want a small government when it affects someone else. Case in point - the furlough of the air traffic controllers. Oh Boo Hoo - John Q. Public was inconvenienced by having to wait for their flights to take off. John Q. complained so loudly that congress rushed in to pass emergency legislation. I am doggone tired of being denigrated simply for getting up every workday and serving my country.
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  • Then, Where Does It Come From!
    ben
    Taxes paid by federal employees are deducted from their salaries. Salaries are paid by taxes. Taxes are the result of wealth produced by the private sector. Don't confuse, "the wealthy," with national wealth.
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  • No censorship
    Moderate
    You wrote excellent comments. However, please do not tell Ben to not respond. We disagree, but we all should write our thoughts. Anyway, it would be boring as #$%^ if we all agreed. Disagreements stimulate thought and responses.
    worker
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  • No Censorship - but Civility is Welcome
    FederalEmployee
    It's the insulting comments such as "no understanding of economics" that raise my ire. One can have differing opinions without being downright rude. The Bens, Buds, Robs, Contrarians and others comments are all welcome...however calling someone "little honey", or stating that someone has "no understanding of economics" or the nasty political sparring often goes on between contributors...I do not see how they add anything positive to the conversation. There is so much ugliness in this world. Intelligent people should be able to disagree in a polite, thought-provoking manner. As for Mr. Boo Hoo - those comments are not welcome at all in my book.
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  • Good Point
    Moderate
    They should be civil, but sometimes they are not. I have good exchanges with Bud. Rob and Contrarian can be annoying. Ben should leave out his name calling, but I am guilty too. I call them radical rights, but am called various names as well. The worst is the nitwit who wantd me to have a car accident where my children are killed. Forgot his moniker, but he writes in a very rambling way.
    worker
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  • Add to Radar's comments
    Moderate
    We also raise taxes to finance the items that help the government provide these services. No Ben, you come back with something that makes sense. Without the government services it would be extremely difficult for the private sector to produce wealth for the middle class. Also, Ben is a retired federal employee. How much is he affected by sequester?
    worker
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  • Whining about whining
    SGT Pepper
    Right on! Federal workers should never whine about their bills because Lord knows, private sector employees don't do that. No sir. Nope. And when people in the private sector get a pay cut, they celebrate! They do a dance of joy, of course, because that's how life is in the private sector! I love posts like this, because they're written by people who try to make it sound as if federal workers are mere complainers, while the private sector is comprised of happy worker bees and Unicorns. Of course, why one would read a web site geared to federal employees and then turn around and complain about people complaining is a whole 'nuther matter.
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  • You deserve a promotion!
    contrarian
    Too funny, but only non-financial award for you this year Sarge.
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  • I feel contrary today
    Moderate
    Not true. The furloughs are financial. Sorry, could not resist.
    worker
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  • To tgn
    Moderate
    Cindi and becca wrote great responses. We are also underpaid as cited by the paymaster and a study back in the 80's. It is alleged that the study is faulty but no other study was done to correct the alleged faults. And no, we are far from a utopia. So cut the nonsense. if you think you are capable of doing government work, apply for a job. Then you will have your "utopia".
    worker
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  • TGN BOO HOO
    sofedup
    You must be a member of CONgress! Light is on rockin chair rockin but nobody is home.
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  • As predicted
    tgn
    The whining continues.
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  • As predicated
    sofedup
    Your Mother called and said your computer time is up.
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