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  • Some people worked.
    Linda
    Hi Mike, I have a sister-in-law in Maryland that worked Monday night. They are open until 9 PM (could be 10) and they stayed open to the end and were open the next morning on time. As a pharmacist she usually doesn't have time to talk while at work. Not a problem Monday night. Everyone came in during the morning and it was empty that evening. So a lot of people worked, even those with the Government. Of course those of us not on the East coast all worked and didn't complain. Rather have the work than the weather!
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  • DC Storm
    Bud
    Did 9 of my 36 years in DC.I'll get a lot of criticism for this,but here goes.I don't think DC feds should have been given the 2 days off due to an approaching storm.I know metro shut down etc.But that's what you have leave for.And now there's a precedent set which will be used the next time a storm approaches.Namely,we got off on admin leave last time,we want off this time too.Yes,DC had a little rain and high winds.Does that justify 2 days of admin?And how many DC feds who were on admin leave ventured out to shop,etc.
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  • Washington Federal Workers Given Leave Due to Storm
    RW
    Bud, Given that Federal Workers are encouraged to use Public Transportation, and may therefore be car-less, are you *seriously* saying that a person that lives over 9 miles from their workplace should walk over three hours in Hurricane Sandy weather to their Duty Station since WMATA was offline? And, if the lights/heat failed at work, to walk (or perhaps pay the fare plus $15 for a cab ride!) home? And, should this also be a "reasonable" expectation for the individual that responded to our commuter survey that lives just outside Pittsburgh but works in Northern VA?
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  • reply to Bud
    kaykow
    Bud - I was given admin leave. I did not go out to shop, etc.
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  • Yeah, you probably stepped in it with that comment, but....
    Rob
    I live in a state where a weather forecast calling for snow flurries is treated like a blizzard. There are employees in my office who think they should be granted admin leave if a flake of snow is seen falling from the sky. I kid you not. During the spring we routinely see tornado watches or warnings in my area. If the NWS issues a tornado warning people start expecting an early release from work. Maybe it's just me, but I would think if there's a tornado coming you're better off staying put than jumping in a car and driving home.
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  • "2 days off due to an approaching storm"?
    FERS Fed
    Uh, it wasn't approaching, it was here Sunday. That's why all the local school systems closed, too. But according to Bud, it would have been better for all those kids' fed parents to leave them home and head for their offices. And it would have been better to have several hundered thousand feds who usually take public transportation to be out on overcrowded roads in the heavy rain and high winds. Yeah, Bud, that would have been WAY better. Geez, what a moron.
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  • Storm
    Bud
    Using your logic that means every time the kids are off school,then the FED parents should be on admin leave.Please!!!You have a job,you're supposed to be at work or on annual leave.Give me a break,and please don't use the negative terms.It doesn't lend any credence to your point.And the storm was a lot of wind and not much rain.Something DC feds have dealt with for years.And I'm sure you wonder why feds are the target of strenuous private sector criticism.Next thing we'll hear is feds wanting Christmas Eve off too.
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  • There you have it, folks
    FERS Fed
    Ol' Bud knows what's best for feds better than the OPM director and the state governors, who advised people to keep off the roads and to stay home during Huuricane Sandy. ..... So, the next time there's any dangerous weather coming your way, you should ignore the professionals guidance, abandon kin, hearth and home, and risk life and limb to get to your pay-frozen jobs, most of which people like Bud believe don't need to be done in the first place. ..... All hail Bud, master of feds' domain!
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  • Storm
    Bud
    Pay frozen jobs-that comment explains your attitude.You can always resign.There are many private sector people who'd gladly take your place.
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  • "You can always resign"?
    FERS Fed
    Nope. Very shortly will be feeding at the federal retirement trough -- just like you.
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  • Storm
    Bud
    FERS FED-Congratulations and enjoy your retirement.
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  • Response to Bud and Rob
    Moderate
    First Rob. This was not a simple snow flake. This was close to a hurricane. My city was in its path. Trees were knocked down and we lost power. The mayor said to stay off of the streets. If we were on the streets and we got into trouble, there would be no emergency help. Not only my house, but my office lost power. Rob, you were way out of line with your comments (Publishable but out of line) Now Bud. First, you are retired. You do not have to go to work any more. I do. The contract says when the office is closed, we do not have to use annual leave. We are not required to flex and I rarely do. And yes, we had high winds and plenty of rain. And we do not have leave to use when public transportation shuts down and the office is closed. And no I stayed in the house on Monday and Tuesday. Admin leave is very appropriate due to Sandy. And yes, we should be given Christmas eve off. One question I will ask you as you have more experience in this than I do. What is the cost of opening the office for Monday, shutting it on Tuesday, and then opening up on Wednesday vs giving everyone off on Monday.
    worker
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  • Earth To Moderate
    Rob
    Read my comment again Mod. It had nothing at all to do with Sandy. Your suggestion that my comments were "out of line" yet "publishable" is about as ignorant as one can get. You clearly have a bias against anyone who is a conservative. I once read a post from you where you initially agreed with another person, then posted again and said you disagreed merely because the person was a republican. I challenge anyone who reads this board to go back and read my post above and try and come to the same conclusion as Mod. Dry Up Mod!
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  • Rob, your comments are definitely not from this earth
    Moderate
    Your comments were posted in an an article about Sandy. Therefore, although you may not have intended it to be about Sandy, a reasonable person would consider it about our reactions to Sandy. The appearance is that you are comparing Sandy to one snowflake. That is total ignorance. The reason why it is publishable is because it does not come close to reaching the level of censorship. And where does conservative v liberal enter into this. Your politics is not relevant. And rob, write sense instead of nonsense.
    worker
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  • "Emotionalism"?
    FERS Fed
    That's a pretty funny comment coming from a member of the 'Angry White Men' slice of the electorate. ..... BTW how long have you had problems distinguishing sarcasm from emotion?
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  • Storm
    Bud
    Now you crossed the proverbial line with your comments.Try non white male minority who's awfully tired of your shenanigans.Don't reply,I don't suffer fools gladly.But again,congratulations on your retirement.Enjoy it.
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  • Storm
    Bud
    Moderate,thanks for a different perspective.Unlike the emotionalism of FERS FED.Opening an office for a day really doesn't cost any more than having it closed.Others will disagree.But the rent cost is fixed,either open or closed.Utilities likewise.My hangup on Christmas Eve admin this year is the fact feds just had the 2 storm days off.It's not good pr coming back about a month later asking for another admin leave day.And again that's why you have annual leave.
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  • To Bud.
    Moderate
    Thanks for being diplomatic. We disagree which is perfectly reasonable. Actually, I had 3 days off because the office had no power on the third day. However, my house had no power on Monday night, all of Tuesday, and the morning of Wednesday. I could not have worked even if required as my computer has about 2-3 hours of life. I did do my emails during the off days.
    worker
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  • Government Response
    Carter Hired Fed
    On the off chance it wasn't commented on earlier, am curious about those Tea Party types who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. I guess they'd want NY, NJ and CT to secede. Nobody wants government until something goes wrong, then all head to DC with their hands out.
    Carter Hired Fed
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  • How Ironic
    Rob
    Just this week all I heard from Obama was how we needed to get the gov't out of the way so the folks who were impacted by the storm could get help. Too Funny!!!
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  • Really?
    Moderate
    Where did you hear that? And what did he really say? Give the complete story instead of one alleged statement.
    worker
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  • work or Admin Leave during storm
    Arlington worker
    I believe all agencies, bureaus and offices in the DC area have strongly encouraged all staff to have telework agreements in place. Many are only for use during COOP or "situational" for weather-related closures. OPM changed the rules after the big winter storms a couple of years back, and the federal government never shuts down any longer. Yes, we close to the public, but are expected to work from home, if possible, under telework agreements. The way I read the OPM announcements on Monday and Tuesday, was that all with such telework agreements would work, and those without approved agreements would be granted administrative leave (due to weather). That's what we did. Arlington Worker
    Arlington Worker
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  • take annual leave, not administrative.
    pcfriar66
    There is a proposal that would require all employees in a position that was declared telework compatable to either sign up for and work telework in an emergency office closing or non opening. While they would not be forced to sign up for telework, if they had the opportunity and declined, they would be required to use annual leave when an office was closed due to weather. This would mean that a secretary, whose job requires her to be in the office, would get administrative, but,let's say, an IRS agent, whose job was telework compatable, and did not sign up for telework, would be charged annual leave for the closing or non-opening
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  • take annual leave, not administrative.
    pcfriar66
    There is a proposal that would require all employees in a position that was declared telework compatable to either sign up for and work telework in an emergency office closing or non opening. While they would not be forced to sign up for telework, if they had the opportunity and declined, they would be required to use annual leave when an office was closed due to weather. This would mean that a secretary, whose job requires her to be in the office, would get administrative, but,let's say, an IRS agent, whose job was telework compatable, and did not sign up for telework, would be charged annual leave for the closing or non-opening
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  • Check with NTEU and read the contract
    Moderate
    Haven't heard of that one. Check with the NTEU. The contract says otherwise.
    worker
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  • Flexing
    Moderate
    Guess you are in a different agency than mine. Our rule is that, if the office is closed and we are not scheduled to work at home, then we get admin leave. That is true whether we have telework agreements or not. I have a telework agreement, but I rarely work at home. This is true whether the office is open or not. Certain items I do at home, but most of my work is in the office. Weather is not relevant for flex purposes. And the rules have not changed since I signed the flex agreement allowing me 80 hours per month of flex. I use less than 80 hours per year.
    worker
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  • nothing like that in effect - yet
    pcfriar66
    I never said that this was the case, at least so far. With all the dictates from on high, agencies are under pressure to implement telework. What I stated is a proposal, but merely a "think tank" idea so far. Ideas, however, have a way of catching on. Of course, as another responder implied, it would be a subject of negotiation with the union. This means that if your agency was not subject to the union, they could do whatever they want. It could happen. It would make sense from a management point of view and they would try to ram it through. Unions would fight it tooth and nail.
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