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  • Bare Flesh: TMI at Work
    becca
    Well you have opened the flood gates with this article. I will enjoy reading the comments. As far as my office, the season doesn't seem to make a difference. "Fashion" has changed for sure and modesty isn't something that seems important at any age. Being an older conservative dressing woman, I really do not like to see ladies undergarments and cleavage. As we are being re-visited by the 1960's, the skirts are getting shorter but the chubbies need not apply. Size does matter, just because you can zip up that size 8 dress doesn't mean it fits. When you can see the imprint of your belly button it is probably too tight. As for the men, please get your pants hemmed to the proper length and make sure the crotch of the pants isn't down around your knees.
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  • summer dress codes
    libertarianqman
    This summer has been particularly harsh to those of us subjected to the slop-fest that typifies the fashion choices of the average federal worker. It's not JUST the dreary flip flops and pasty bare legs that pollute the workplace, it's also the general slovenly appearance of many workers. Why do women use summer as an excuse to completely abandon the wearing of hosiery? It's not like the hot weather outside should have much of an effect. I mean they leave their air conditioned houses and get in their air conditioned car to get to their air conditioned office. They might have to suffer all of 10 minutes of relative 'discomfort' being outside in the heat. But since this is obviously too much of a burden to bear - the rest of us get treated to a daily dose of bare-legged classlessness. It's completely unprofessional - but I guess we live in an age where 'comfort' trumps every other consideration.
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  • problem solved
    penney
    I simply wear slacks. Solves both the hosiery discomfort (in any weather; even the expensive silk are just not that comfortable to wear) problem AND saves you having to deal with the pollution of my pasty legs in your workplace. And yes, my slacks are professional, hemmed to the proper length, with the crotch right where it's supposed to be (see other comment above).
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  • Hose
    Linda
    Obviously Libertarianqman has never worn hose all day. Get real, they are very uncomfortable, never fit right no matter what size per the chart you buy, and I don't do it unless I have a formal occassion. Do you wear a tie every day all day? If you don't, don't bring up hose!
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  • hose
    libertarianqman
    It's a matter of professional appearance! Hosiery COMPLETES the outfit and has the added benefit of smoothing out and enhancing the overall appearance of the legs. Women have told me that properly fitted hosiery is comfortable enough - just stay away from the scratchy, dime store 99 cent hosiery and you'll be fine. Anyway - there's plenty of time to be perfectly comfortable when your lounging around the house in sweats and flip flops. But that kind of attire - and I've seen plenty of it - has no place in the office environment.
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  • a hosiery man?
    Jerry A.
    libertarianqman, You are not living up (down?) to your alias. As long as it conforms with the office dress code, you can not dictate someone else's personal clothing choice. Your rude insistence on this point makes it seem like you have a fetish to see women in hosiery. If you think it is so comfortable and you like it so much that you are browbeating people about it, then go buy your own. To be blunt, get over your kink and leave the women alone.
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  • Hey Hey
    MDBBALL02
    I am a 50 year old woman who dresses professionally every day, adhereing to the adage "Dress for Success" and the other one "Dress for the Job you Want, Not the Job you Have" and I agree with libertarianqman on this one. People have gotten very lazy and sloppy in the past 2 decades and especially women. No one dresses appropriately anymore. People wear Football jerseys and shorts to Church for goodness sake. There is no respect for the where a person is, and the appropriate dress! It IS more professional to wear hose. It IS! and if you find them uncomfortable, buy Non-nonsence Queen size .. they stretch just great and cling just great and are Enourmously comfortable. People wore suits and ties and dresses with Hose to Baseball games early in our history ... It's not too hot to be dresses appropriately for work when all the elements you are exposed to is during your commute.
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  • hey hey
    libertarianqman
    It is nice to hear from a woman who sees it somewhat like I do. It gives me faith that all is not lost. It used to be understood by all that hosiery was an important part of a professionally attired woman. How we got 180 degrees away from that understanding puzzles me. Not only are hose not worn in the workplace - there seems to be open hostility to the idea these days. A real shame in my view. Thanks for holding out against the massive tide of bare-legged women.
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  • hosiery man?
    libertarianqman
    I never made any mention of the 'sex appeal' of hosiery as it is not germane to the discussion of professional appearance. I wonder why you felt it necessary to project a sexual 'fetish' or 'kink' to my motivations without any evidence of such in any of my comments. I believe hosiery provides and more flattering, professional appearance for women and I expressed that opinion. If that bothers you somehow - then I am sorry that you are bothered.
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  • Never Answered
    Linda
    Libertarianqman - you never answered if you wear a tie everyday to work? Do You? I understand dressing for success is a large city like DC, but not all of us work there. My boss wears kackis (spelling?) and a pull over. No one wears a suite unless they have to go to court. I don't dress in a suite because it intimidates the people I deal with, I want them comfortable and talking to me. They usually wear jeans. So answer the question, do you wear a suite and tie every day??????
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  • never answered
    libertarianqman
    I don't understand why that question is so important to you. No matter my answer - it proves nothing - as I've never expressed the expectation that women wear hosiery 'everyday'. I merely have opinions on what looks professional and proper in the workplace. For what it is worth - I do wear ties most of the time - and proudly do so.
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  • Great comments jerry and Linda
    Moderate
    Good comments Jerry A. Hosiery does nothing professional in my eyes (I am male) As long as I can concentrate on my work (I am not dead and can still see and smell) I could care less if one wants to wear flip flops, shorts, etc. I wear slacks and a button down shirt, but that is me. Oh, and the others must do their jobs and not face the public in very informal attire.-----Linda, great response to liber. And you will notice he weasel worded his way out of answering your question. You sound like a very good RA as you are concerned with having your "clients" open up to you. I admit I am not as skilled in that area due to certain weaknesses I have.
    worker
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  • everyone has opinions
    penney
    "smoothing out and enhancing the overall appearance of the legs"? Well, that is one opinion. At any rate, women don't come to work to provide a pleasing appearance for libertarianqman or anyone else. They come to do a job. To some extent, comfort does have a place at work; it enhances performance when a person has at least some degree of comfort and confidence. Not all people feel confident and comfortable in suits/skirts. We can maintain relatively professional, modest dress without resorting to the "professional" dress standards of the olden days. Go get your thrills by watching some Mad Men episodes, libertarianqman, and long for the good ol' days.
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  • summer dress codes?
    StarTrek1701
    Well, aren't you lucky to have air conditioning in your home.
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  • Bare Flesh: TMI at Work
    vetdude
    I don't know if the decline in the dress code is a reflection of the hot summer or the low morale courtesy of our Congressional leaders and their use of their fellow federal workers as scapegoats to cut spending.
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  • cut spending?
    libertarianqman
    Our leaders will either voluntarily cut spending or it will be forced upon us via bankruptcy. The federal deficit has nearly doubled in the past 4 years. This isn't about ideology - or what political party you belong to. It is about mathematics. We either face the debt crisis by enacting meaningful spending cuts or there won't be anything left to spend.
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  • "It is about mathematics"?
    FERS Fed
    Hmmm. My understanding is that numbers can go down AND up. Maybe our "leaders" should face the debt crisis by enacting meaningful spending cuts (on someone other than federal employees) AND increasing federal revenues in order to make the budget math balance.
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  • It is about math
    libertarianqman
    And do you think our 'honest' and 'forthright' leaders will use those increased revenues to bring our budget in balance? I'd say you are woefully naive if you do. How do you think we've become saddled with unimaginable deficits to begin with? The politicians - of both parties - are interested in buying your vote by offering benefits without inflicting the pain of actually having to pay for them. The trouble is - people fall for it. They think they really can extract 'free stuff' from the government without any repercussions down the line. You probably favor the divisive line of attack that if we just get those 'rich' folks to 'contribute' more and if we just cut 'other' spending - not the spending the government does for us - then all will be ok. This is laughable on the face of it if you really look at the numbers. The problem is already too big for such a simplistic solution. We are entering an age where very difficult and painful decisions have to be made but there is no political will to do it. There simply isn't enough money to pay for all the promises.
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  • "How do you think we've become saddled with unimaginable deficits to begin with?"
    FERS Fed
    Well, let's see. How about not one, but TWO concurrent wars off budget, Medicare Part D, AND the Bush tax cuts, all in the course of the same Adminstration? But that wasn't part of a larger plan to push the country to the brink of insolvency as a rationale for shredding the social safety net conservatives and libertarians have always hated paying for, was it? And you say I'm naive? Right.
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  • It is about math
    libertarianqman
    You are either naive or willfully blind because you are hung up on political labels rather than recognizing the debt crisis that is devouring us irrespective of party affiliations. As I clearly stated earlier - BOTH parties have a hand in this - but you seem to think it's more important to get a few knocks in on Bush than view the looming 'big picture'. It is time for reasonable people to move beyond the petty, partisan bickering and try to find real answers to 1.5 trillion dollar annual deficits. There will be pain associated with whatever the answers because the days of buying off current voters on the backs of our children are rapidly coming to an end.
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  • Math and Revenue
    MDBBALL02
    Agreed there isnt enough money to pay for the the agency programs people rely on. The population is growing and more and more baby boomers will be moving into SS and Medicare at the same time, the brain trust in DC has cut working American's contribution to SS by 2% for years under the Tax Cuts, to buy America's votes! It is deplorable and terribly unproductive. They SAY it's so we can spend it at the stores and boost the economy, but it is going to make SS go belly up faster, which John Q Public isn't thinking about! I WANT to put money into SS from my paycheck to is it there. I'm 50, have been working wince I was 16, and will till I'm 56 at least, and I deserve the system I have paid into to be there finctioning as it has! If they wanna change the rules, the rule change for the 20 year olds just stating their contributions, not those under 55! That's crap! The American tax payer has paid less in taxes for decades, and the population has gone up....Taxes should be RAISED. Hell, what extra $ has anyone contributed to pay for the 10 years of WAR I ask you? Not a dime!
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  • mathematics?
    Jerry A.
    If it were about mathematics, then the GOP would have followed through on their talking points already. Speaker Boehner last year said that he got "98% of what I wanted" (his words). The Democrats agreed to a mix of 90% spending cuts, tax loophole closures, and 10% tax increases. The reason the GOP did not follow through is far right wing ideology and a desire to make the President look like a failure (their goal, per Senator McConnell).
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  • Failure?
    Rob
    Obama doesn't need any help from the GOP. His rigid, far left ideology is why he's failing.
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  • No Rob
    Moderate
    No Rob, Obama is not failing. You radical rightists are doing everything you can to block him from making the economy recover. And in spite of your work, unemploymnent is going down
    worker
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  • sawyer, diane
    Jack Elliott
    Check out the ABC Evening News and you should notice that Diane Sawyer is not in sharp relief compared to the other reporters. They use a filter to protect her visage from the clarity of HD.
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  • Visage? Seriously?
    MDBBALL02
    Give me a break! THis is a chat about dress codes, not wrinkles. But since that is your concern...can I direct your splintered attention to Maurly Safer, Andy Rooney, Dan Rather, Walter Cronkite, Mike Wallace, etal. for you....They have all had wrinkles for decades. Diane and all these boys always DRESS professionally though!
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  • So what
    Moderate
    So what
    worker
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  • Dress code?
    dailycheese
    We have no formal dress code, so it won't be long and people will be wearing tank tops and shorts to work. Yes, there has been a fashion shift over the years. Used to be men had to wear jackets, shirts, and ties. Now the Gen X, Y, or Z's tend to wear whatever they find on the floor that morning. Wrinkled cargo pants with those big pockets on the side. Some of the younger folks only use an iron for making grilled cheese sandwiches. Female employees wearing clothes that are a little on the snug side. Ever seen 50 lbs of potatoes in a 20 pound sack? Over at the Pants Olympics. Young guys wearing pants that drag on the floor vs old guys pants that don't touch their shoes. One of the more senior employees in the office had to put her mother in a nursing home. She set her fashion clock back 30 years because it looks like she raided her mother's closet.
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  • something in the middle?
    penney
    It seems to me that it doesn't have to be a choice of EITHER navy blue suits and ties/skirts for women OR tank tops and flip flops. I think there are perfectly decent, respectable choices in between. And it's not just the women choosing the snug clothing; I've seen plenty of guys at work who apparently are unable to admit they still can't fit into those 32 inch waist trousers they wore back in their high school days. It doesn't count as "still as fit as my high school days" if the only way you can button those things is by tucking them under your protruding belly! And I'm not even going to comment on those too-snug short sleeve golf shirts favored by some guys. Makes me think that those guys in the Seinfeld episode with "support undergarments for men" were on to a really good idea.
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  • much ado about nothing
    Moderate
    Much ado about nothing
    worker
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