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  • There is
    obscurechemist
    one sure-fire way to deal with this unique type of morale problem. As Joe Hill said, "Don't mourn, organize." Form or join a labor union and exert political power. The kind that breaks the morale of those who oppose us. UNION!
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  • Unions and public service are incompatible
    NOVAJacket
    There is no competition for public service jobs. Even FDR saw that and was against unionizing the federal workforce. You will not have much sympathy from the public - - many of whom have no guaranteed pension. They pay your salary and benefits. They will question why you are demanding that they pay for something that they themselves do not have.
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  • Answers
    Moderate
    First I will answer NOVA. We work for lower pay. Our jobs are much more difficult than dishwashers, trash collectors etc. So we are entitled to the benefits, such as the guaranteed pension, which is quite small under FERS.--------- To obscure, Unfortunately, unions have very little power in the federal government. Workers cannot strike or, for the most part, go to binding arbitration over pay and benefits. Therefore, although there are some benefits with unionization, it is not extensive.
    worker
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  • Your "union" is the taxpayer
    NOVAJacket
    through their representatives. The taxpayers cannot shop around for a better government. The one they finance through mandatory taxes is the one they get. Thus it would be ludicrous to have unions in public service. The last thing this country needs is public unions with any power in the federal government. You are not "entitled" to anything. Your compensation is what is needed to attract and retain a level of competenecy to do the work of the nation. If that means a pension is needed to attract you to work for the government, you will be provided one. If pensions are no longer needed to attract talent, you will not get one - - just like private industry.
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  • My union is Congress and the President?
    Moderate
    My problem is that you really think like that. That is like writing that GM's union is the corporate officers and managers. Go back to the sweatshop era of the early 20th century. Think of how the owners treated the workers. Then you will understand why I cannot take your answer seriously. Owners look out for their benefit. Unions are supposed to look out for their members'(non management for the most part) benefits. Thus, it is ludicrous for workers to look to Congress as the union.----Your conclusion in your fourth sentence makes no sense as your third sentence is not justification for your conclusion. Also, please note that federal public unions and workers do not neotiate for pay and benefits. Therefore, why your comments?
    worker
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  • Try thinking about it this way
    NOVAJacket
    GM uses a workforce to make cars that it sells. It has a fiduciary duty to its stockholders to make profits and provide a return on their investment. Its workforce is as good or bad as it can attract and compensate. It competes with the other car makers - - the quality of its cars are a direct result of how satisfied the workers are with their compensation. GM's compensation to its workers directly affects the per unit costs it has when it makes its cars. It has to balance that with materials, innovation, etc. while keeping an eye on the competition. The key here is competiton. The government has no competition for its services. It is a monopoly. Therefore, there is no need for a union. All a government can do is try and provide compensation that parallels what is equivalent in private industry. Since private pensions are for the most part a thing of the past, it is time for the government to do the same. The sweatshops of the past are over and we have OSHA standards,etc., to govern working conditons as well as minimum wages, etc. What possible value does a government union add to anything?
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  • You make no sense Nova
    Moderate
    You still make no sense. I cannot figure, from your argument, why GM workers need a union and government workers do not. Is it because of competition? How does that have cause and effect? How does competition relate to a need for a union? And again, for the most part unions do not negotiate compensation for member services. Unions are there for other purposes such as working conditions. The members of a unit can vote not to have a union. So what is your problem with a union? Just out of curiosity, are you a non management government worker? I am.
    worker
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