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  • How odd that this report...
    FERS Fed
    ....should come out just as Congress is looking for ways to pay for the 2012 payroll tax extension. And I'm curious to know if/how CBO treated private sector annual 'bonuses'.
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  • Dont forget
    deployed decoy
    Most jobs in America that require a working understanding of the English language and more that an 8th grade education, long ago were moved off shore. The few jobs left have such a pool of people willing to work for food that it is easy to understand private industy only willing to pay minimum wage. If the USA was not a 4th world country in this resolve, every private sector worker would be getting 6 weeks paid annual leave, 6 months paid family leave and earning a livable wage.
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  • We all have heard the 3 levels of lies
    kenifer47
    Lies, darn lies, and statistics. Well here we have statistics. Statistics can make liars of us all, even more so with Congress. If statistics were all done the same way by each group doing them, we'd have the same results. Lies, I mean statistics, can be contorted to show whatever the liar wants to say. Go ahead Congress and other politicians, freeze or even lower federal employee pay and benefits now and in the future. Do you think you're going to get the best and the brightest that way? Go ahead, you're sending the country in a downward spiral so lets add the federal workforce to the mess you've created. We don't need the best or even good enough people working social security, veterans hospitals, any entitlement program. Those can be done by any low paid employee. We don't need the best or even the brightest working for NASA or Food and Drug. We'll bring in more contractors, after all contractors fill Congressional pockets, don't they have to be compensated? To hell with Federal employees! Yeah, Go Congress!!!
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  • its true its true
    deployed decoy
    Well I for one like to compare the bigger picture. Just for grins I did a mid grade military member. Know that an O3 Captain in the Army makes a LOT more. Maybe someone should run the numbers for a Major with 18 years to see how far in the SES category we would need to earn to be compatible. For the record an E6 (SSG) with a day over 8 years of service with a spouse earns $37,717 a year. I used a low 15% federal income tax to figure out that same person makes an additional $19,291 just on housing and food allowance. This is a total of $57,008 or a rounding error for GS11 step 1. I did not assume other federal tax free incentives said military can make and used a low cost area of Boise Idaho for RUS for federal and that locality for military housing. I could have added in the 10-15% or so the commissary system saves a military person annually on groceries (sales tax assumed), I could have added in the federally subsidized child care, COLA in a higher cost area and many other factors, like all salary tax free with added COLA in Kuwait. I did that once and the same E6 came out at GS12 step 8 or something. Then factor in military spouse preference into federal jobs, military buy back of that home they used tax free money to pay for and a VA loan to live in with the federal tax advantages of home ownership, then the Govt paying them back for equity lost in a forced move. If I factored it all in that SSG would fall closer to GS13 step 8. So I say the military is over paid, given a GS11 is the same as about a O3 when it comes to military grade of the deployed civilian work force. The following is off the DOD server, it is exactly as it is posted on different pay and incentive pages. http://militarypay.defense.gov/pay/fssa.html Though current military compensation is equal to or exceeds the private sector, military families may still encounter challenges during these difficult economic times. Allowances are the second most important element of military pay. Allowances are moneys provided for specific needs, such as food or housing. Monetary allowances are provided when the government does not provide for that specific need. Those who do not live in government housing receive allowances to assist them in obtaining commercial housing. A substantial, but often unseen and overlooked, aspect of military pay is certain built-in tax advantages. Most allowances are tax-exempt.
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  • its true its true
    anotheroftheherd
    Not sure how you get your percentages. Quote: For the record an E6 (SSG) with a day over 8 years of service with a spouse earns $37,717 a year. I used a low 15% federal income tax to figure out that same person makes an additional $19,291 just on housing and food allowance. EndQuote: But the military is a poor standard against which to compare civilian wages, US Government or Private Sector. There may be long periods of time away from family. There may be time spent in a war zone, working very, very long days, besides any danger seeking out a person. I often hear people say the military pay should be brought in line with civilian pay. How I wish they had done that when I came it. Three days running with no sleep. Imagine all that wonderful overtime!! Or the fun GI parties on overtime. Nice. As to benefits. You forgot to mention that a careerist gets a percentage of base pay on retirement. Not the added benefits. They magically disappear from the calculations. They also pay taxes and social security on the base pay. Neat huh? Wait a minute, that means that less social security wages are paid, and that is what your social security payments are based on when you begin collecting that. Clever congress. Military do at least as much, and probably more work that their civilian counterpart, but don't build up as much social security benefit. If it's so good a deal, why aren't you a career military person? For the record, I don't think the CBO report is correct the way it is stated. I haven't looked it up, but I bet they have a lot of caveats as to how the data speaks, and the weight of the different categories. But again, I haven't looked it up and read it. Have a good day sir.
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  • No one is forced labor in the military
    deployed decoy
    The numbers are off the DOD pay web site, link was attached. Smoke Jumpers spend as long as 4 months in the field at a time. Well they do get a mandatory salary paid two day safety break every 2 weeks at the closest Hilton. But the fact remains those folks are GS6. I am federal and have spent most of 7 of the last 12 years in formal war zones, never once a safety break in a Hilton. I get sick when I see Commanders living in a 9 (nine) bathroom home and drawing most salary war zone tax free, yet the kids are in local schools at a cost of most of $20k a year. Military pay has exceeded civilian pay, read the quotes from DOD where they say military pay meets or exceeds civilian pay (that would be PRIVATE sector, not us decoys. Yep the military works long days, but again no one made them take a job with a 5AM mandatory jog around camp. Truth is even in this war zone the office is only manned 8.30 to 17.00. And we have slaves that clean their bathrooms that make maybe $120 a month. Same slaves will polish a desk if someone tells them to. The wives in Germany cried they could not take military training holidays off (not a federal holiday) so they just dont come to work every 4th Friday or so and charge 8 hours like they were at work, these are federal employees. The contractors in technical fields far outnumber the military and for a good reason. You can never find a Soldier behind the switch, because they are busy at change of command parades, change or responsibility parades, promotion and quarter boards and every once in a while sleeping off a sporting event. Social security has a $1200 a year plus up for all military time prior to 2002, when I assume military base pay started to exceed the average unskilled labor rate in the USA. Yes some are very skilled, some get great training in the service. Most with less than 8 years however, just ship to the contractor side to get paid the 12 hours, 6 days a week they work. The reason I picked a midgrade career military NCO for wage calculations. I got out in 1983. I tried to go back in the reserve as a civilian technician but failed the physical, 60 days after the Army gave me perfect bill of health to get out. Course that failure led to 10% VA disability since I was so disabled I could not be a computer room technician in the reserve. I hate to think what the Pentagon bean counters are going to say to some poor person that lost a limb from an IED, but stayed on active duty 15 more years, in the future… Not very disabled if they can command a Brigade in a war zone missing an arm, dont you think. Course most people I have met that got out in the last few years have managed to get at least 40%. I also doubled my E6 over 8 year salary taking a GS7 job in 1984. But that was in the old days when a GS was something and a military SSG was a floor polisher manager at GI parties.
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  • Let us consider the value
    obscurechemist
    of the work done. A for-profit person benefits only himself. My work in cancer research benefits everyone. BIG DIFFERENCE.
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  • Why not??
    Big Joe
    If there is such a big difference in the gap between high school garduates and those with higher degrees, why not tie a portion of salary to the level of a persons degree? Its ironic that a non-degreed law enforcement officer often makes as much as a scientist with a Masters degree of PhD......
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  • Law enforcement
    deployed decoy
    Law enforcement is a degree mandatory field. Course those folks with guns also for the most part are NTE, GS7 or 9 Meaning they must take at least a full pay period off every year. Generally the last one. Christmas bonus, NOT. Most in the USDI and USDA also must be fire Red Card qualified. Dont mistake law enforceement with the TSA folks you see at the airport. But even they have mandatory education requirments, to well profile for lack of a better word, some guy with a reason to be hiding something.
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