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  • Reductions in the IRS
    Moderate
    At this time the IRS is not offering these buyouts to enforcement etc. but is considering doing so. So, who is getting these offer? It cannot be those favorites who are part of the empire building. So, what peons will get these buyouts? Will it be in training and education? Are there any unneeded expenses that are not part of empire building? Anyway, the buyouts will result in less funds collected by the IRS. Thus, the deficit will increase rather than decrease. But that does not matter to the Republicans.
    worker
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  • You obviously have no idea what you are talking about
    fedforlife
    The ranks at the IRS need to be reduced by both management, some IT folks (me included, I hope), the Business units, and data entry. As far as training and education, it's already about as small as it can get. Training is almost impossible to get, unless you do it online. Collection and enforcement is not included in this buyout.
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  • You are clueless
    Moderate
    I wrote my comments before I read the commissioner's statements. Also, if you read the commissioner's statement, it included the possibility that enforcement will be affected by a buyout. As I said before, that will affect the deficit adversely.-------Second, if you want a buyout, I hope you get it. however, the IT service is hardly good. I have had to wait awhile for service and when I get it, it is not always accurate. Reducing your staff will affect enforcement and enforcement people will be very limited on what they can do.-----Third, enforcement people have had face to face training every other year, with the in between years done on line. Bet that changes with a reduced budget.
    worker
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  • Moderate
    fedforlife
    You are the one who is clueless. I've been in the IRS for over 24 years, can you say the same. And the IT service is very good, what you are complaining about are the tax assistors. They are not IT folks. As for the data entry folks, their workload has lessened over the years with more and more people doing e-file. And enforcement people have mandatory training yearly, not every other year. And you really have no clue as to how the IRS works. Collection has always been the group that works with you, the taxpayer, on making sure that if you can't pay your taxes on time, work out an arrangement. Perhaps you would rather have the collection agencies doing the collection and enforcement again (it was a failure BTW)? It cost the government more to use them than to use in-house employees.
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  • You have got to be kidding clueless
    Moderate
    I got you beat by well over 10 years. You are FERS as you started in 1986 or 1987. I am CSRS. I do not know who your tax assistors are, but I call MITS with computer problems. Service has been anywhere from good to poor. Since you appear to be MITS, how do you know about the workload of data entry people? Please learn how to read. I stated what my training is. And why are you commenting about collection? I wrote nothing negative about them. Can't you read? Exam does audits. Collection gets the money in most cases. Both are enforcement. Why are you bringing up the collection agencies? I agree that collections and not outsiders should be collecting the money.
    worker
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  • Did you ever think that MITS folks
    fedforlife
    don't talk to the people who do data entry, or create the transcripts, or anything else. You have no clue what I've worked on, who I've worked with, and which Business units I've dealt with. While it can be true that there are some in MITS (as in any organization) that are less than ideal, most are much smarter than you know. And exam does more than audits.
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  • To clueless
    Moderate
    I am sure that you talk to data entry people as well as others. Yours is a cross function job. However, how many and when did you speak to these people? It is true that we have much electronic filing. It is also true that we have less data entry people. Therefore, I would like to hear about the job from a data entry person and not you.----You have lost much credibility with your comments about me dealing with taxpayer service regarding my computer. You did not read my training comment properly. You avoided the commissioners statement concerning the possibility of enforcement buyouts. You bragged about your 24 years without knowing how long I work there.(You started about the time of the Zenith computers) No use going on.
    worker
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  • The only one clueless is you
    fedforlife
    Maybe your 30+ years of working on the same mundane thing has rotted your brain, but I seriously doubt that you will hear from the data entry folks. And it wasn't the Zenith computers that I started with when I came to IRS, it was Zilogs. And they were real workhorses that almost never broke down, even in computer rooms that reached unbearable heat. And about your "training comments", they were virtually nil. All you said was, and I quote, "Will it be in training and education?" Don't try and call me clueless, as I've probably forgotten more than you've learned.
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  • To clueless
    Moderate
    First, you came in about 1987 based on what you wrote. We had no hard drive Zenith computers. Second, I will cite what I wrote by using edit copy/edit paste:"Third, enforcement people have had face to face training every other year, with the in between years done on line." Third, you hopefully have forgotten more than I know about computers as I know very little about computers. However, stick to MITS as you know very little about other items. You are incapable of citing what I wrote.
    worker
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  • You really are the clueless one
    fedforlife
    I did come in 87 and the first machine I worked on was the Zilog z8000. Unix System 3, 16 ports, 2 cassette drives, 1 9-track drive, a whopping 4 MhZ, and 2 250 MB hard drives, and Informix 3.3. The system was called PROMIS (Problem Resolution Office Management Information System). The system we used for documentation was the Wang. We got our first IBM PC-AT in 1988. So it seems you know zilch about computers and I go back to the punch card days. If you work in exam, then you know your training schedules, otherwise you are talking out of your rear.
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  • Oh
    fedforlife
    and look at your first post. I did quote you correctly. Also, by now, people have already gotten the e-mails for the VERA/VSIP.
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  • Hey clueless
    Moderate
    You quoted the first one well after I wrote my next response. This was in response to your nonsense comments. Stop weasel wording your comments. You are definitely letting out foul gas when you write. You did not quote me correctly as I developed the issue before your comment.----I work in exam. We had Zenith computers with floppy drives and no hard drive. If you worked with exam people you know what we had. You probably had better computers than us.------Further, I do not claim expertise in computers. See my last statement. You may have expertise in computers, but you have no other expertise. At least that is reflected in your writings
    worker
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  • You are clueless part 2
    Moderate
    It used to be that data entry was harried with too much work for the alotted time. Is this true now? Service Center people can answer that one.
    worker
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  • That's still true
    fedforlife
    but not as bad and depends on the area.
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  • Response
    Moderate
    I asked for an answer from data entry and not from you. How about letting them answer.
    worker
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  • How about you retiring
    fedforlife
    and leaving the people that actually do the work. You have no idea of who I deal with on any given day or what areas I've worked or what my expertise is. And FYI, I've worked in multiple areas in various roles, I just don't do development anymore (no challenges left). And just because your area had Zenith computers, doesn't mean that was the norm. When those came out (I think sometime in the late 70's early 80's) hard drives were rare and expensive on PC's. The Zilogs were the computers of choice for any small/midsize system that had multiple users.
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  • Response to fedforlife
    Moderate
    I am very happy that you had better computers than we did. I wish you luck with your job and/or your leaving the Service. Anyway, I am tired of commenting about your nonsense. Therefore, I will let you have the last word. Hopefully, you will write something constructive, but I doubt it.
    worker
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  • buyouts
    pcfriar66
    Someone on another site made a comment that even with a reduction in people there would not be a reduction in the workload. Agreed. But I also said the answer would be reducing the number of managers at all levels. Of course, there would be "bumping" of 1st line (and maybe some 2nd line managers) back into the ranks of the regular workers. I am a retired IRS Revenue Officer and my group was down to 5 employees as of the time I retired. In the past collection groups had 12 to 14 employees. There are definitely too many chiefs and not enough indians. It is the "indians" that do all the grunt work of dealing with taxpayers and working the cases. Although these bumped managers may have rights to a "save pay" clause, this is generally for just 2 years and eventually there would be a substantial savings in salary. This would solve the problem of fewer employees but not a smaller workload. Time to reduce the layers of management.
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  • You have a point, but is it valid?
    Moderate
    The reason I ask the above is because managers now have much more work. They routinely work well over 40 hours per week. And these are competent managers. Upper managment has them doing much more administrative nonsense than they had to do in the past. Perhaps, if upper management had more common sense, then 12 people in a group would not be so bad. Do that now and you will have a nightmare. The proof is that management has a very difficult time getting grade 13 agents to go into management even with a 10% increase in pay.
    worker
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  • moderate
    pcfriar66
    That's the problem. You hit the nail right onthe head. There is too much "make work" administrative "nonsense". This reduction should start with uppeer management and work down. The IRS would do fine with half of the upper managers. Not to mention the "analysts". They created a "cake' job at the same GS 13 level for my former manager (some type of "analyst") and she works out her home most of the time.
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  • IRS Buyouts
    Lifer
    They announce buyouts and early outs last week and this weeks "Career Opportunity Listing" shows nothing but opening for management training programs. Go figure.
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  • There's a reason for that
    fedforlife
    A lot of the people that are at or nearing retirement are in the management ranks. The IRS is doing Succession planning.
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  • Good Points
    Moderate
    You made a good point there. I would also add that IRS has a very difficult time recruiting front line managers in exam du to all of the nonsense they must go through.
    worker
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  • Not just exam
    fedforlife
    All areas have a hard time recruiting good managerial candidates. I've got a manager now managing technical employees and they are a budget person. They don't gel well. I've also had managers that were geared towards contractors (now there is a waste of tax $$$'s in most cases) and others that were for doing things in-house.
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  • You have my sympathy.
    Moderate
    They are the worst.
    worker
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  • Analysts
    TaxmanHog
    Of the 10,000+ Analysts 5400 got letter, across all sectors of the organization. Regardless of the efficiencies brought by ELF 80+ shorter cycle time on Collection & Exam cases, crucial work still needs to be done at all levels. As a 26+ year service employee, who started from the ground up, GS-3(Data Terminal Operator) to GS-13 (Collection Analyst), I'm praying for the stability of the organization, if all these Policy, Program, Tax and Management analysts go, the remaining staff will have their hands full. Congress still passes law that needs to be converted into workable policy, processes and programs, at the drop of a hat. Case in point example, discussion about leaving the Social Security tax cut in place another year is pending, yet the Calender is quickly coming to an end.
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