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  • Kill Awards then look again at LWOP
    deployed decoy
    Well this is going to hurt, the truth usually does. I would suggest that no furloughs or LWOP would be even on the table if the awards and bonus truth was known. Our entire Brigade just got $3000 each for 2010. This award was funded with money removed from and not part of the next award phase that had already begun prior to this $3000 paid out. The next one is tied to annual performance ratings and will be paid out in the next 60 days. This last one I should note was with funds that were hidden away from NSPS the last 2 years, that in effect reduced the annual performance awards. Awards were also freely given out in 2009. In 2008 part of the team received none of this as one US Army Major made the decision none of his people deserved a dime (may have been a valid decision). In any case the money needed spent so that they would could get it in future years. So the BDE handed out ALL the money the BN feds would otherwise have received to such deserving people as our CPAC on Rock Island and contract administration staff in AZ. I have worked for several federal agencies in 28 years. Only the Army gives out awards for coming to work on time, to folks removed far from the agency. In the last 3 years, my awards alone came to around $10,000. Not bad, but surly not deserved as an across the board everyone deserves it thing. Thus killing awards – from the top down, would save as much I figure as a full 30 day LWOP thing across the Army. Course the dark side of this is they put us on LWOP and the week we come back to work we get a $3000 award, it is possible. Especially for the special ones that write the secret code.
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  • Awards/LWOP
    Yeziam
    Spending federal money is easy because it doesn't cost the Managers anything. In fact, they're expected to spend their budgets down to zero to preserve future funding. However, in the furlough debate, we're asking the Federal worker to pay the bill for something they had no part in, while the Federal spending goes unchecked. So perhaps "charging" each federal worker $2000 (avg 10 day furlough) may make it clear that the budget shenanigans have to change (such as those pointed out by Deployed Decoy) or else those same Managers will be authorizing the employee and themselves to pay for their mistakes. Re the Conspiracy/Coincidence Question - It is not only probable someone started the finger pointing at the "overpaid federal worker" (Fairy Dust from Congressman from Colorado) but that he did so to take everyone's minds off Congressional responsibility to reduce spending while getting himself some recognition for "doing something" - even if it was an uneducated knee jerk idea from a first term Congressman. I do have a solution as pointed out by Saturday Night Live. SNL had a great skit that sums it up our federal fiscal problems and is easy to understand. Oscar Rogers skit, possibly called "Fix it", by taking the problem one step at a time: 1) Identify the problem. 2) FIX IT! 3) Repeat as necessary until it's all fixed. Hilarious, makes you wonder what the problem is with Congress. Unless of course there is some secret reason (hands in pockets) they don't want to fix.
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  • McConnell of DE claims not to be a witch but apparently federal workers are!
    Lisa Lisa
    This whole thing has gone rogue. The Republicrits have us looking so bad they just assume put a stake in our hearts or better yet, burn us at the stake like a witch. I think this whole thing restarted when McCain was running for President and it seems ever since then, other Republicrits running for office have used federal workers (not "the government") as pawns once again as if we arent real people; that we dont bleed, that we arent people...arent real people with faces, children, grandparents, etc. The worst part is, the average american isnt in the trenches of government. There are so many tentacles to government. Whenever the public doesnt like what "government" does or doesnt do for them, then teh face of a federal worker becomes the scapegoat and not the politicians that actually made the laws that we are forced to act on. Are there things in government that can change? Sure! Government is an ever changing entity that evoloves depending who is in office, who our congress is ,etc. "Government" (meaning those that make the laws and acts-not the federal worker) are always in pursuit to make changes in government for whatever reasons. It is the job of federal workers to carry out those changes-which occur at the drop of a dime. Reduce forces! Increase forces! Try this new technology! No! Go back to the old way! Set up this new program! Account for everything! But guess what, every time our government (those that make laws and acts) changes, we muct adapt. We either need to hire more people to accommodate every new law, or reduce. Everything a federal worker does, is in response to what lawmakers (thats right, the ever evolving door of voted in fools on both sides)want or doesnt want because they dont like or like something or they do it to get a vote. How much money and sacrifice of public servies do you think it costs to get that vote? Federal workers are used to these changes because its all politics and that changes every 2, 4 or 8 yrs depending how the public votes. It costs money to make teh government big and it costs money to also make government small such as BRAC (Base realignment). After spending time and effort and hiring people to accommodate what the public wants, federal workers,with marching orders in hand, often have to shut programs down that the public wants or ramp back up. We get big, we get small and no matter what, the federal worker takes their orders not only from Democrats, but also from Republicans, for which neither side saves a dime contrary to what they tell you. It seems never do the lawmakers take a hit (and they should) for the laws they make that causes anger in the public, instead they sheepishly permit the image of an average joe federal worker to be a punching bag for their conduct, for their laws, for their decisions. So mark this day (or sometime in the near future) that when we are laid off, furloughed and have our pay freezes (which doesnt bother me a bit), in a few years when the civilian side of the house is happy as clams that they are superior in pay and perks again, that we as federal workers will do the same to you..we will demand that you take a pay cut, that you reduce your benefits, that you dont get raises and that we dont care about your family as much as you dont care about ours. We will call you pond scum, and we will say that you are lazy good for nothing losers. We will make you responsible for the politicians you voted in. Sound crazy? Well how the heck do you think we feel?
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  • error!
    Lisa Lisa
    Correction..its O'Donnell
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  • Across the board cuts
    contrarian
    Federal Employee unions have foolishly given all their support to Democrats, what do you expect? As long as Congress gets cut equal, then we're all doing our part. Remember, across the board cuts are better than RIFs. I agree with DD that award money should be the first to go in bad times.
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  • rebuttal
    Lisa Lisa
    I dont know exactly know why union backing Dems was mentioned in your response to me, but ok. Unions in the federal govt have a different role than unions in the civilian sector. Not sure what unions backing democrats have anything to do with this..but mostly the fed unions act as one that govt employees can turn to when there are managerial abuses occurring or to be a strong presence when management just wants to do what they want to do and the heck with laws. Yes, like all unions or any other organization, they tend to back one flavor or the other..but this fed bashing has very little to do with unions-in my opinion. This is about our leadership turning their back on their federal civil servants and throwing them under the bus for nothing more than some votes. Its packing a group all in one ugly package and throwing that package to the wolves. To say we are lousy, to say that we need to take more hits to the head because everyone else is, is just in poor taste. I dont mind if I dont get a raise. I dont mind to take a few days furlough, but to quantify that we all need to take 2 weeks off with no pay...how will that help anything other than to say, "see we beat the bejesus out of them so you wont be alone in your pain" Would you want to kill a neighbor because someone close to you was killed? It just isnt logical. Its plain and simple pandering. So that would do what..create more unemployment, more layoffs, and those federal dollars that we lose transcends to more people not putting money back in to the economy..more homes for sale, more brankruptices..really..where does this end? I bet you there are countless politicians and staffers that have their offices cleaned and taxpayers pay that bill..dont you think people can take their own trash out, dust their own desk, and vacuum there own offices? There are many ways to cut the fat, but some of these repubs want to go for the throat because they dont have a huge federal presence in their state. You wont hear the politicians of MD and VA go as far as the gentleman from Colorado (Coffman?).
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  • Unions
    deployed decoy
    Although I feel unions in general are frauds so the mafia and union stewards can get in bed and eat cheese. They do have a place, and in the federal Govt. Not sure for example the DoDDs teachers union is needed. They were able to get federal school teachers salary that starts at GS11 with tax free housing money added on. They can use this money to homestead and use my tax money to buy that dream home on the hill overlooking Heidelberg GE or in the city center of Pisa IT. They can do this because the union said poor Johnny needs the stability of that same teacher every year. Now I am a bit confused because if Johnny is doing 3rd grade for the 3rd time, it just might not matter if he has the same teacher and just maybe it is the teacher fault. So teachers overseas are excluded from the menacing 5 Year rule, that is used to kick everyone else out of even the war zones. So much for the need for someone federal to know what contracts screwed up last war, like shoddy grounding, that killed Soldiers in this war. Then look at what Mail Handlers FEHBP cost mail persons compared to us unrepresented. Besides the fact the USPO is going broke, I pay more than I would otherwise for that same coverage, because someone has to pay for the PO folks to get it for nothing. So much for my rant on unions. But unions also saved the planet in regards to NSPS and getting it killed. One union in the states may soon help us overseas put some NSPS HR people in a refrigerator box under a bridge (as in become homeless and unemployed). What those HR bubbas did to us overseas in NSPS and no union protections and very limited federal labor law protections was literally criminal. The agency IGs refused to get involved, OPM senior management outright lied to Congress in June 2010 then refused to get involved, MSPB ruled it was not in there scope to make a court decision. So unions may well be the only hope any of us have for losing years of high grade held and tens of thousands of salary dollars both in NSPS and since reconversion back to GS that unions will hit these folks where it hurts.
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  • Republicans
    Moderate
    Why should we do "our part"? We certainly do not get the huge pay raises during the good times. Look at the legislation in 1990 when our pay was supposed to catch up to private industry by 2003. Nothing happened except labels and emergencies. There was such a fiscal emergency that tax cuts were enacted in 2002-2004.
    worker
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  • Layoffs/Furloughs
    KMK
    I am a Federal worker. I see nothing wrong with a furlough as long as congress is included. Wait with all their time off 10 more days away from work, not necessarily a bad thing.
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  • Layoffs/Furloughs
    CaptMidnight
    As a retired fed with 34 years working for six different agencies won't hurt. I lived through them before. But furloughs are appropriate for everyone-executive, legislative and judicial includes. All start at the top and every one congressional member, staffs, supports staff, committee permanent staff, every supreme court appeals court and district court judge and staff, every person in the executive branch to include the president on down including every active duty military, homeland security personnel, law enforcement and justice department, every medical personnel including doctors and nurses, and the entire USPS from the Postmaster General down to the lowliest letter carrier, and also include furloughs of all government contractual personnel providing a personal service related to a government function. Then when our country ceases to function and provide critical services maybe then we get rid of the people such to Coburn, Cantor and others, including dems who use feds as scapegoats for their twisted ignorant visions. When the services stop the American public will see who to blame and it will not be the federal employees.
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  • No to across the board layoffs
    HyacintbDC
    I respectfully disagree. Because some of my friends in the private sector are laid off, I should be too? Is that some kind of bizarre equality? I don't believe the issue is necessarily in our pay. There are other areas where we could all make cuts and it could make an impact. Unfortunately, the truth of it is that no matter where the cuts are, the leadership will find a way around it for some. Furloughs? yes, but not for x, y and z, because their jobs are too important. Cut travel? Yes, but not for a, b, and c because their travel is necessary. What bothers me most about this is that some of the media have gotten hold of this as some sort of witch hunt. Because a percentage of people think I'm overpaid, does that make it true? Federal workers were also underpaid for years, but no one seemed to care about that. I think USAToday, as with many media outlets, need to do more homework and ask ALL the questions, before reporting BOTH sides of the story.
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  • Furloughs
    patty
    I think they should shut down ALL agencies for 10 consecutive days. Everyone would be furloughed at once. This way those of us who are overworked now, will not have to pick up even more slack when coworkers are taking manditory furlough days. Oh yeah, maybe the public would see exactly what federal workers are doing when the services are not available.
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  • Furloughs
    Joe
    You might not like the public's response. We were all furloughed for 3 days in 1995 and not too many feds were missed.
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  • Big difference
    HyacintbDC
    But I think there is a big difference in 3 days and 10 days.
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  • Furloughs
    TM
    That's not exactly true. The critical employees (Air Traffic Controllers, Military, etc.) were not included in the 1995 furlough.
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  • Difference between RIF, Furlough, across the board pay cuts
    contrarian
    Look folks, there's a difference between many of the things we're talking about. Obviously a RIF means some people lose their jobs, that is bad, can we agree? The better bad choice is an across the board pay cut, or days off without pay. I think that 2 weeks will never happen, but days off have happened in state governments around the country. As long as everybody shares the pain, we have something to hang our hat on when the economy turns around.
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  • furloughs
    Moderate
    What about those within 3 years of retirement. This affects them for the rest of their lives in a pension reduction. You probably will only lose a little pay.
    worker
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