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  • Reply Abuse Vote
    Another politician trying to keep his job while stepping all over the backs of feds
    dek1000
    It should be totally transparent to all readers what this guy is doing. Always go after the federal worker to distract the public from the real problems with the government: senators and representatives like himself. "Reduce taxes." That's always the answer. Oh, and so is increased spending, like on defense. And where does this money come from? It's magic! Just sell t-bills and bonds to countries like China, increase that national debt, and expect others (read: children, grandchildren) to pay it off when the paper-debt comes due. But it doesn't really get paid off. It just gets rolled over, and over, and over .... But that's not the worst part. The worst part is that when those children grow up and try to do the same, exact thing (borrow to pay for things), it's harder and harder to do. The current generation of legislators are borrowing from the future. They never have to worry about paying the bill. "Leave it to someone else to worry about." Cowards. They should be using what brain power they have and figure out how to pay as you go, unless you are in a war, a REAL war, like where bombs get dropped on our country. And "No", Afghanistan is not a war worth the billions and billions being spent. Iraq? It's almost over, though the spending isn't stopping. All that money could have paid for everyone in college right now, made this country smarter, and more powerful, and able to compete in world markets, instead of importing from China while closing our manufacturing plants. And now this new idea: don't pay the federal workers what they have been promised. The government wants to hire the best and the brightest -- and keep them -- yet Senators like this one want to make working for the federal government financially riskier and one with lower esteem. If this guy wants to "save" $5.5 billion, then don't appropriate those funds to all those pork barrel projects so popular on the Hill. And they are popular, because it helps keep senators like this gentleman in their jobs, where they can continue to help their well-healed friends. Another stupid idea from one of the people's representatives.
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    What A Great Idea
    OCWatchdog
    I think this is a great idea - federal employees should feel the pain as the private sector. The main reason for our out of control national debt is not reduction in taxes as it is that Congress and the President have decided to spend more than the country takes in. I've heard from politicians from both sides that we need to reduce spending. I agree with you about the pork barrel projects. Yet when someone makes a suggestion others cry foul. An example is the SecDef's proposal to do away with the Joint Forces Command - a great idea but the politicians are crying about it. The NIMBY syndrom. How about cleaning up the mismangement of IT systems or waste of programs - we hear about the problems but nothing is being done to address these problem. Having been a federal employee for a number of years I have some sympathy for all of the Feds. Yet the private sector has seen a significant number of employees who have lost their job or not see a pay increase while the Feds keep hiring and every year receive a pay raise. What bothers me is that government employees seem to forget who pays their salary and benefits - the private sector. As far as jobs going to China, you can blame the comsumers of America which includes all of us. We want our products cheaper - there is a price.
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    Great Idea?
    Yeziam
    IF you were a Federal worker you should understand that Federal worker's job responsibilities do not change in the same manner as private sector workers. When a commercial company reduces their workforce, they expect a corresponding decrease in output. Not true in the Federal Government, the work someone doesn't do will still be waiting for them when they return. The result is that ungrateful civilians, like yourself, will be the first to complain that Feds are lazy or not doing their jobs because you didn't plan well enough to get your passport before departing on an expensive trip overseas or some other similar complaint. I will say it wouldn't be a bad idea if it made sense, but there is no more sense in the Representatives goofy idea, than your ignorant diatribe based on a short lived career as a federal employee. BTW - I am a retiree and I did NOT get a pay raise last year, did you hear about that? What the good Representative from Colorado is doing is politics. He is a knee jerk reactionary practicing his craft like so many other politicians and leaders who develop the skill once they've made it to the top. Rather than analyze the consequences of rash ideas like this one, they put them out there and let lame brains like yourself pontificate on the subject to see if it play in Peoria. In other words, he's showing he's doing something, without really expecting to get anything done. It's no different than someone in Washington scheduling a meeting to get to the bottom of some subject - worthless knee jerk reaction to show something is better than nothing. Sad you may have came close to identifying the magic dust, but unfortunately you tripped over your own thoughts and formed a laundry list of personal complaints you've read elsewhere, but which may have no real basis in reality. Smoke and mirrors, nothing less. Here's a question for you - WHY should the Federal worker be held accountable for the mistakes of Congress or the "Private Sector"? We are all civilians and feeling the pain of this financial debacle, federal or private. My home values dropped, I have lost money in the market, if this is good for Federal workers, it'd be good if everyone put up some cash to pay off debt.
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  • Sorry OCWatchdog
    happygrls2
    Its not the American consumer that forced industry out of this country...it was, among other things, federal regulation, high taxes, and lawsuits. The burden of cost is passed on to the consumer. The reason why overseas items are so cheap is beacause those developing do not have the same restrictions as the states. When the cost of doing business rises to a level where industries no longer make a profit, they fold or move elsewhere!
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  • Two weeks without pay
    rrcarrier
    The same folks who wouldnt work for Uncle Sam, not enough pay, now think its a good idea to not to pay folks for two weeks, funny we hire contractors, whose only job, is what is on the contract they are hired on, but the federal workers has many different hats to wear and produce more work, the 4 or 5 contractors and their companies make more money than an equal amout of federal workers make with their benefits included, so please, some took much higher paying jobs and lost, the others should now pay, right!!
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  • two week furloch
    edthefed
    OC, dont you think the federal employees already feel the pain? My expenses are going up like everyone else but I am a ready made target. Our pay "raise" of 1.9 % last year didnt cover my health premium increase. Now they want to take away raises for two years? and a furlough?. I pay my taxes and therefore contribute to my own salary. I dont get commissions, like my counterparts in private industry. I am very glad for the job I have and the money I make but most of us dont get the salary that the private industry makes. Job security is a great thing untill it is threatened with cuts. Hopefully we can all survive 2011.
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  • Reply Abuse Vote
    Another idiot politician pandering to the clueless electorate
    libertarian
    This idea is so asinine the guy should be drummed out of office. Give him a copy of the Constitution and a meat cleaver and tell him to get to work on the federal budget. Congress has been spending the last 150 years since the War Between the States encroaching on the rights of the people and the several states; it is time that Congress work on ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but returning the federal gov't to a state of existence that is compliant with Constitutional mandates. Totally agree on Afghanistan and I'm willing to go that far with Iraq as well; we didn't find WMDs there and I am not willing to trade the lives or health of our troops to send them abroad in search of monsters to slay (i.e. Saddam). This guy wants to save $5.5 Billion? Let's start with eliminating the more than $25 Billion in foreign "aid" we send abroad. SO nice of the Congress to be generous to all those foreign countries with money that is not theirs.
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    in reply to: Another idiot politician pandering to the clueless electorate (libertarian)
    goldstardad
    I lost my son on Sept. 19, 2006 in Iraq. He was with an SF team & fully believed in his mission. Their mission was hunting down HVT's. they did a great job chasing down these misguided murderers. As for no WMD's being found, that is/was incorrect as I know for a fact they found bio-weapons, because that is what killed my son & 3 others of his 8 man team. It took him 5 months of suffering @ Walter Reed before he passed. As For any way the Govt. can save $, I'm all for it........
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  • Reply Abuse Vote
    Federal Government Leeches stop whining.
    FoolishLibs
    What a great idea!! In fact the federal taxpayer leeches should take 8 weeks off without pay since most are overpaid to begin with. There are way to many departments who do nothing anyways and Congress and the current administration still does not get it.. STOP TAKING MY MONEY...I WORK HARD FOR IT AND I HAVE BEEN ON A 32 hour WORK WEEK for 2 years because of the Crooks in the FEDERAL Government and Congress.. The only mistake the nutbag Osama made was killing innocent civilians instead of taking out Congress during their full session.
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  • Reply Abuse Vote
    Falling for Standard Illogic
    Warman7
    So federal workers are overpaid? The only recent data that has come out recently concerning this topic was a flawed report from last month. In a sense it was the reporting that was wrong, and gave te wrong implications on purpose to try and create / continue the anti-federal gov't hate. The report talked about how the fed gov't was paying more, on the average, than public jobs. What they didn't even try to report was that there are very few fast-food type jobs, or jobs that are involved with cleaning, etc., on the federal payroll. Most of the jobs are in the higher skilled areas, such as engineers, accountants, contract people, technicians of all stripes, basically people who have gone through a helluva lot of training and education just to qualify to apply for the jobs Then you get the dweebs of the world who slavishly then believe that fed workers are overpaid. Here's a true-life example: I worked as a Project Engineer for a large engineering firm on numerous infrastructure projects. The money I was paid while in the public sector was very good. However, a few years ago I saw that there was going to be problems with the economy (prior to fall 2008), and consciously decided to accept less money to do the same/equivalent work. I am still working in the fed arena but am STILL making about 10% LESS than what I made in the public sector. THe only people who tend to have your attitude, are those who are not in the fields that pay better salaries. The problem I have is watching those who want to increase the number of H1 visas (foreign workers with special background - scientists, engineers, etc.) so they can be paid less than what the American equivalent in that area makes. Bill Gates wants to triple the number of these visas so more money can be sent back home to their originating countries and drain more money out of the US. Don't think that a furlough for government workers does anything at all to make things 'equal' or 'fair.' What you are doing is providing approval for those who are using American workers (that does include fed workers) as whipping boys to allow the ignorant people who don't know better, feel better. No logic, no truth, just assuaging feelings. Best advice to those who are resentful and envious is to push the electeds to cut way back on earmarks and monies that are being spent for literally thousands of pet projects (with no real logical support for them, else they'd be part of the budget that provides a reason for the money request) the representatives and Senators pile on bills totally unrelated to their earmark. The money that is potentially saved there is 3-4 times more effective than forcing a form of unemployment on a group that is, largely, sympathetic to trying to reduce fat and wasteful spending. When (if?) the economy returns to strength, I won't stay in the fed world, but I can see how much revision is needed in how they appropriate and spend money. But it isn't by castigating your 'Leeches' improperly and unfairly
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  • Reply Abuse Vote
    "Non-essential" Employees
    Quack
    Proof: Last winter, when heavy snow storms disrupted the Washington DC transportation system, "non-essential" government employees were excused from work (with pay) to remain at home for a couple of days. According to news reports, a total of 350,000 Washington DC-based government employees, classified as "non-essential", stayed home. I rest my case.
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  • And half of them
    fedforlife
    were performing their work duties from home, thanks to teleworking. They didn't get the day(s) off and still had to work.
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    Non Essential
    Yeziam
    I assume you're referring to what the President called "Snowmaggedon" with up to 32" of snow and massive power outages? Good logic there brainiac - send 350,000 people out onto snow clogged highways to prove what? Or are you just angry because you had flip burgers on that day? Keep your juvenile arguments to the smoking area outside the school, big people are having a conversation here.
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  • No real impact on the deficit
    mk
    I agree. Aside from the issue of whether federal workers are overpaid, saving $5.5 billion on a deficit of $1.3 trillion that is $1300 billion!! OK, now find the other $1294.5 billion. I wouldn't mind taking the hit if I thought it would make a meaningful difference but just to simply scapegoat federal workers because Congress decides to run a large deficit makes no practical sense. If you want to reduce government spending, you have to look at the largest components of spending. Medicare & Medicaid; Defense, and Social Security, each comprise about 20%. So that's about 60% of total federal government spending, according to the Congressional Budget Office. These are the programs that will have to be cut in order to have any meaningful impact. Now let's see Rep. Coffman come up with a plan to cut these programs.
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  • Reply Abuse Vote
    Another politician trying to keep his job...
    Layla
    He is not distracting anybody from anything. Every American is aware of the bailouts of Wall Street, banks and private companies. Not only has our government failed, it is now STEALING from the American people and doing it openly. This must stop. These people are not cowards; they are crooks.
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  • Layla, please educate yourself.
    Gottaluvit
    Are you kidding me? What on earth does Wall Street bailouts have to do with Federal Employees going to work everyday? You seem to misunderstand the conversation. Please tell me how the US Government is stealing from the people? I would say that your anger is misguided. You should be angry with Wall Street and the fact that so many people got rich by misleading investors. That is certainly no the fault of Federal Government workers. Most of them lost a lot of money in the economic downturn, as well. Many of them had been ready and able to retire, but now must work an additional number of years because of the money that they lost. These people are like anyone else, they go to work and are expected to do a job. Most of them are dedicated, and many often work through lunch and late hours to the benefit of their fellow Americans. They do their best to make the best of what they are given, and lately, they have been expected to do more with less. How on earth can you call them crooks. Shame on you! You should educate yourself on this situation before you make such statement.
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  • Reply Abuse Vote
    to dek
    coneinc
    so let me get this streight airplanes taking out the world trades centers and the pentigon. isnt enough for you to call the war in afghanistan a real war. i for one do not want bombs droped on this country .
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  • Reply Abuse Vote
    If your job results in a net loss to the nation, they should eliminate your position
    VirginiaBob
    Simple enough, right? Why only 2 weeks furlough, if you are costing this country money by being on the payrolls? If your job results in a net gain for the country, then you should be paid every day you work.
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  • close but no cigar
    RightRandy
    It is not about deamonizing the federal worker. It is about having them deal with the same issues private sector employess have been dealing with. I work for a large coporation and for two years we have had mandatory two week furloughs. I agree that the pork barrel spending needs to stop. When I hear that 800K of stimulas money that was supposed to create jobs went to teach uncircusized African men how to clean themselves it makes my blood boil. The fact is that federal jobs used to be considered a cushy job because it was very difficult to fire you and you received generous pensions and benifits. Now it is a cushy job because you still have all that and higher pay. Why should the peoples employees get a better deal than the people? I am in a responsible educated position. Do I have a pension? NO! Do I have a cadilac health plan? NO! My company actually has a responsiblity to its stakeholders which is an attitude the federal government has lost.
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  • cigar
    Johnc
    If it is cushy, apply for a government job. Walk in our shoes.
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  • Let's worry about the $700 billion before the 5.5 billion
    Sheila M.
    This guy wants to save $5.5 billion on the backs of the federal workers, but yet his party wants to spend $700 billion ($700,000,000,000.) to give millionaires on average $100,000. Let the tax cuts for incomes over $250,000 expire and save $700 billion in 2 years.
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  • Lets Worry about the $700 Billion before the 5.5
    bubbyboo
    I agree with you Sheila, I do not know where people get their facts but, 80 percent of fed employees in Cleveland make under $35,000 and many are supporting more than just their immediate families. Sure go ahead and furlough. Yet at the same time why are the house and senate not included in this furlough? They are fed workers too. Wouldn't the savings be much greater? They also need to make cuts in their pensions and pay scales. Get rid of the Free Trade Act and double tax the goods of the vendors who went overseas.
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  • Reply Abuse Vote
    10%?
    robriggs33
    Congress works an average 2 days a week with a minimum of 172,000$ per year. Start off by paying them nothing till they balance the budget, and bring spending down till it's balanced. Then, after that, they get maximum of 50% of their salary. If they ever spend more than what is coming in, then, they get another 50% reduction. Eliminate the presidents & all of congress's pension plan (they're already millionaires) Every year or every 2 years, each state votes on whether their rep gets a 4% increase, 4% decrease, 10% decrease or 50% decrease.
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    Fed employees, etc
    timpiker
    Don't know if a 2 week furlough is a good answer but it is a step in the right direction. There are too many Fed employees and they make more money than they should. The government needs to reduce its size and get out of our lives. What gives the government the right to my money? Its MY MONEY !!!
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  • Reply Abuse Vote
    Federal employee furlough.
    Cybergeezer
    Great idea; Break up the 14 days over the calendar year; Nobody will miss it.
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  • Nobody will miss it?
    Gottaluvit
    I work with several employees who are already barely making it. They do not make much money and are doing their best to support their families. These people WILL miss it. Honestly, some of them are already teetering, and this could place some of them into some very precarious financial positions.
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  • Reply Abuse Vote
    Furlough
    SanDiegoSteve
    I suggest a furlough of 260 days per year. What American working at a real job will miss them?
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    That wouldn't be fair
    B-o-B
    260 days would require them to forfeit government holidays and paid vacation.
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    What stopped you from working for Uncle Sugar?
    Radar Tech
    Hey fellas', howdy do? Sounds like you think all Federal workers are overpaid good for nothings that get too many benefits. Well, if that's so, why didn't you become a Federal worker yourself and ride the "gravy train" all the way to the bank and a solid gold retirement? Was it the random drug and alcohol testing? The security clearance background check? Maybe you had a problem with your finances? Perhaps you didn't go through years of training in the military or college to qualify? What ever it was, it's too bad you don't work for Uncle Sugar. You could get paid every other week, work evenings, weekends, and holidays in all kinds of weather...climbing towers with a safety harness on, working on high voltage equipment (facing the hazard of arc flash and arc blast) that also emits ionizing and non-ionizing radiation. Of course, you would have to have an additional 3 years of training and on the job experience to become a journeyman in Radar/Automation like me, but shoot, with brains like yours I'm sure you could become a crackerjack radar maintainer in no time at all. Of course, a lot of that training...months of it...is away from your home and family, but I'm sure you wouldn't mind because of all the gravy waiting for you at the end of the rainbow. Then, there is also the legal responsibility of certifying your equipment and the possibility that you could be dragged into court to explain any mistakes you might make, but I'm sure you could handle that. There is the weight of responsibility to consider; just knowing that thousands of people are depending on your equipment to travel at hundreds of miles per hour, thousands of feet above the earth, in thin skinned aircraft has caused many a person to balk at the job. And of course there is an entire library of technical manuals and orders that you have to be thoroughly familiar with to be able to correctly troubleshoot a system, subsystem, or component in an emergency, where every second counts... Yes, you should have given it a try. You know...it isn't too late. You could put your application in and see if you can get hired. The Federal government is always looking for talented people with clean records and that are chemical dependency free and that can quickly learn complex systems and maintain them, despite significant safety hazards, in all kinds of weather and at all times of day or night, weekends, and holidays. If you measure up, why you could be riding that fine gravy train right to the gold plated retirement you think that we get. Go for it! What's keeping you back? You could be a professional Airway Transportation Systems Specialist, too. We are always happy to have the help. I'll even get you pointed in the right direction. Go to www.usajobs.gov and see what you qualify for.
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    What stopped you from working for Uncle Sugar?
    Namvet
    Wow. Sounds as if you have experience regarding that. I worked for unca sugah for 23 years, spending 2 tours in nam and half of my service time away from family. Nevertheless, I agree with the thought of a furlough for civil service and postal employees as well. I have known too many civil service employees that look at their job as an entitlement instead of a form of service to their country and some of them were former military. So if dropping out for 2 weeks helps the country eliminate it's debt, I am all for it. Furthermore I would also like to see all illegal immigrants taken off the federal entitlement system until they come in legally, all anchor kids included. If we did that, the monetary savings alone would get us out of debt in less than half the projected time, if not sooner.
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    That is reasonable
    Radar Tech
    First, thanks for your service, fellow veteran and Federal employee. Second, I agree with the notion that non-essential personnel could go on non-consecutive furloughs to help reduce the debt, so long as that was a meaningful reduction and not a token or symbolic one. Third, that only makes sense if the budget is balanced; otherwise it is a wasted action. Fourth, illegal immigrants should be removed from all Federal assistance prior to any action like a furlough. Fifth, public assistance for those that have never worked (yet are not disabled) should be reduced by 5% at the same time. (Why should those that have never contributed be given preference over veterans and contributors?) I understand that the nation is in trouble and am willing to help. The tone of the comments I was responding to was disrespectful and suggested complete ignorance of all the essential services done by Federal employees, sometimes at risk of injury and often at personal sacrifice. I normally stand watch for 10 hours at a stretch. I have lost count of how many times I have stayed late, working to restore essential National Airspace Systems equipment or services...because it needs to be done. We don't generally even think about putting in for overtime unless it is 45 minutes or longer...it's just how we are. Just last week, I was on watch alone (again) and I stayed an hour and a half, working for the flag, restoring a failed processor in the LAN that displays air traffic data to controllers. I didn't submit and overtime slip...I just did it. I didn't get home until 2AM. We do that sort of thing time after time after time. I am not alone in this. When a blizzard strikes and the highways are "closed" by decree of the governor, guess who is still driving in to stand watch and ensure systems are operational? So, yes, your response is reasonable. I just wanted folks to know what they are talking about.
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  • Vets and the National Furlough
    Warman7
    Well, Namvet, hello from another one. Ater 24 years of military service, both active and reserve (five periods of active duty, total), I also worked in the 'real world.' Those who spent the entire time in the military active service have always had an "I'm better than the rest," attitude, towards both civilian gov't workers and the civilian world at large. That provides you with a very skewed and biased view of the world. However, doing something for the country to help out in this time is a very noble thing. I'll tell you what. I'd completely agree with the 14 days of furlough the gov't worker had to untertake, if the following also occurred: Those who are sucking the retirement teat of the federal and state government's also give up two weeks of pay, to help the country in our time of extreme money problems. Also, all people who do not work for the military or civilian gov'ts, donate an additional two weeks of their pay to the federal budget, and, during that two weeks, do free work that would benefit the country and the American People - perhaps go pick up trashs along all roadways for 2 weeks, cut back brush, make more roads in National Forests (or trails for those of you with a rabid Greenie inside trying to get out), things that are real work and can be done without adding more jobs necessary to manage or supervise those people. Wouldn't touch the military pay at all, just freeze the pay of E-7's to E-9's, and all officer's O5-10, for the next three years, then re-evaluate. This would include the retired pay of those military mentioned, too. Certainly, no one who believes in the furloughs could possibly argue with such a far-reaching and fair system? No?
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  • I agree, IF....
    Jon Weiss
    Warman7 Well, Warman7, I am a retired veteran, 22 years in uniform without a break. Since then I have also worked in the 'real world.' I have to disagree with a couple of your assessments, since I do not consider myself "better than others" because of my service, but I do hold in disdain, all of those who consider me inferior because I have not been in the civilian job market for those years of service, they seem to have the opinion that military life is merely a tax payer supported gravy train, but I do find it odd that those who criticize, complain that they didn't benefit from the "gravy train", but they also never signed up. Currently I am "sucking that teat" as you put it, just like every DOD civilian retiree, every person who retired from a corporation and has a contract promised pension as well as every Social Security recipient and welfare recipient, who are every bit "Teat suckers" as retired soldiers. I would gladly sign on to your plan to give up two weeks of retired pay at my current rate (52.5% of E-8 pay), but IF and only IF Congress goes to work and cuts Federal Spending by an equal dollar amount, either by cutting their own pay proportionately or by wiping out their Pork Barrel Earmarks, to match the cuts, thereby doubling amount of real spending. As long as we have people going hungry, and a national debt or deficit, I cannot in good conscience agree with on dollar going to a Woodstock Museum, unproven Stem Cell Reasearch, or these top ten waste items listed here, 1. The Missing $25 Billion 2. Unused Flight Tickets Totaling $100 Million 3. Embezzled Funds at the Department of Agriculture 4. Credit Card Abuse at the Department of Defense 5. Medicare Overspending 6. Funding Fictitious Colleges and Students 7. Manipulating Data to Encourage Spending 8. State Abuse of Medicaid Funding Formulas 9. Earned Income Tax Credit Overpayments 10. Redundancy Piled on Redundancy Full detail of this list can be found at heritage.org
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    I agree, IF ...
    Yeziam
    Jon, You have the right idea - run for office. Most of the discussions here are related to if Federal Workers should succumb to a furlough or not. Many of the people here have been responsible and noble enough to consider the option of furloughs and some even to advocate the proposal. But unfortunately the arguing serves only to divert the public's attention to Federal workers compensation and away from the more important issue of Congress' responsibility for finding real solutions to the public debt. So, after rationally thinking through the Bill’s proposal, as you have done, it makes sense that we should focus our attention in evaluating this bill not on the furlough, but on considerations related to long term solutions and changes in traditional Congressional spending patterns that would get us and keep us, out of debt. To your point, the government has argued my entire life about out of control spending on earmark projects, blue plate specials, pork barrel politics, and Presidential use of a line item veto to keep Congressional spending in check. The only plausible reason there has not been any action on those subjects, is because they keep the Congressmen employed by allowing them to feather their constituents nest with some of the most expensive and ludicrous expenditures. Spending problems have existed for a great long time, everyone knows it needs Congressional attention, many a politician claims they will tackle the problem if elected, but we haven't seen much change in Congressional spending on frivolous projects. Again, we also shouldn't let this bill turn people on the public servant, especially when the real problem is with those who control the money and the spending. As a retired senior federal worker, I'm certain there are incredible waste in the daily operation of the Federal government and I heartily endorse savings on O&M expenditures before going to the worker’s salaries for a solution. Otherwise, those responsible for our spending will continue to run amok. There are many, many ways that Agency and Department leaders can help us to balance the budget if need be, but it takes leadership from the top echelons of the government to communicate and direct the urgency of need and priorities of the government to make that happen. Government Organization need to know which programs are most important to achieve the Leadership’s goals, otherwise they will feel obliged to achieve success as they perceive it, based on existing funding. Additionally if and when Federal salaries are a priority for solving the debt, as you noted and I would agree, all Federal "teat suckers" need to pitch in as well. Otherwise, it would be travesty to allow a bill to oblige only Federal workers and their families to bear the financial brunt of responsibility for the debt they had precious little input into creating. To me, the Representative from Colorado's bill is just an easy, safe, and lazy way for a Junior Congressmen to seek publicity, rather than making a real effort to propose changes/solutions to spending that would hold Congress responsible to the people for their actions. GS 15 with 32 years federal service - Annuitant Private Sector - 3 years as an overpaid Beltway Bandit.
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  • two weeks off
    rrcarrier
    As a rural carrier, thats about the only way I could get two weeks off, we put in for leave and its denied, no one to do the work if I take a day off, call in sick more than twice in 6 months face discipline for unscheduled leave, we cant get sick, ask for sick leave for a Drs appointment, we are told thats not what sick leave is for, work six hours have to leave your charged with a full day off, every benefit I was told I would have when I took the job 18 years ago, I cant use, so give me two weeks without pay, who the heck is going to deliver my route, work 6 days a week for less money than I made years ago for a 5 day week, while the big boys still get big bonus money for bad management!!
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  • Working for Uncle Sugar
    Alley Rat
    I tried to get a government job back in 1972, after I graduated from a state university in Texas. I had actually worked for Uncle Sam for two years in 66 and 67. I didn't even have to apply for that job. Preident Johnson sent me a letter demanding that I work for him for two years. After doing my time, I started to school, working for an insurance company during the day, and going to classes at night. I graduated in 1972, with a degree in finance. When I went through the interview process with government hiring official, despite being a veteran with a good service record, having a business degree with fairly good grades, and having five years work experience, I was told that if I wanted to work for the U.S. Government, I should consider re-enlisting into the Army. The economy was in the pits in 72, but there were plenty of Federal jobs to be had, but I just didn't meet the profile of the type of person the government wanted to hire in 1972. I guess that I might still have a bit of resentment from that experience. I have always felt that the Federal Government had a "hiring agenda", and that I would never be a part of that agenda.
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  • Let it Go
    GoliathRulz
    Not to beat a dead horse, but you may want to let it go. It's been 40 years. Don't you think things changed since then. Also, sometimes it takes determination. You may want to self-evaluate on that. I applied for 50 jobs before I was able to transition from private sector to Federal. Maybe you just didn't want to really be a Federal worker ... Something to think about.
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